ATTITUDE AND RESPONSIBILITY Guys we are barking up the wrong tree..! I’m not going to comment on any of the recent incidents – my comments are nothing to do with these, but we need to stop going on …

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ATTITUDE AND RESPONSIBILITY

Guys we are barking up the wrong tree..!

I’m not going to comment on any of the recent incidents – my comments are nothing to do with these, but we need to stop going on and on about gear and focus on ATTITUDE and RESPONSIBILITY.

The gear is to mitigate the consequences…

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  1. He Is: 1st off, nobody is arguing. This is a healthy debate and a form of sensitization. In essence, we r doing what u r asking 4 in the last line of ua post i.e. sharing individual experiences. 2nd, apart from microwaving n fast foods, most of other life’s problems don’t’ve fast fixes + in my view, there is no single soln to this problem and yet the PROBLEM IS REAL and it will continue to be especially now as superbiking gains traction in this part of the world

  2. in my own opinion i think cc’s dont matter , my first bike was a yamaha thunderblade 1000cc and i used to do ug nairobi , and i had it for 3 good years without any crash or accident , so as my bro He Is just said ” u are only as good as it gets when you learn and use it the experience to better your biking experience every day so please lets just all agree we are learners on our bikes and help each other by sharing our experiences and knowledge on our bikes!!!

  3. Absolutely! Very well put. The adrenaline rush from the throttle sometimes reduces clarity of thought, and ‘blurs’ reality. Therefore, it is very important to keep the basic rules in mind. Also, one key learning I have had in the years of motorcycling is this: When riding, just focus on riding. Become the motorcycle. Hear what the machine is telling you, and the road. DO NOT think of anything else. DO NOT let your mind wander. DO NOT get into a groove. FOCUS on the task at hand (namely, the throttle and brakes).

  4. many have said it, but just to send the point home, it’s all about attitude. Respect all road users. Period. Cagers, cyclists, pedestrians, etc. And respect the rules of the road. Respect covers use of indicators, mirrors, correct lanes, knowing when to filter, etc. Just my take. I may be a noob, but am encouraged when my instructor tells me that with all the research I immerse myself in, that he believes I am a much better road user than some “experienced” people. I aim to be a keen student everyday, to learn something new, and ingrain correct behaviour from the very beginning. My riding seniors may think that I am asking silly questions or disturbing them, but my goal is to be a sponge to all the right traits.

  5. I agree with Charles Kimenyi and slightly disagree with Steve J Perkin . ATTITUDE AND RESPONSIBILITY is everything! The graduation theory though, is very relative. My first bike was a zx 636r, then a cbr600rr then the R1 and I never looked back.

    The problem is, we dont respect our bikes. The guy I bought my first R1 from told me to always be careful, and never to imagine that I have conquered the bike because, once I think I do, it’ll bite me. And it did.

    I ride knowing I could fall. When I jump on my bike, I know that today, I could go down. That’s my attitude. I could go down any minute, at any place, even in my parking lot. Because of that I’ve found formulas that have worked me

    1. I avoid any pedestrian heavy routes
    2. I avoid matatu routes
    3. I take the longer route home coz it has fewer cars
    4. I avoid riding at night as much as possible
    5. I always gear up

    But most of all I know that

    THE BIKE WILL BITE ME AT ANY TIME.

    But that’s just me

  6. yeah. I wanted to have my first bike as a Twin…. was delivered from my folly and had to ride a DT 175 then XT 250 daily for a year before my senior biker friend (Stanley Andanje) could allow me to touch my Twin! Kudo’s Steve J Perkin, this is the kind of REAL guidance new riders need – not speed taunts…. leave that to the gurus Matthew Muchilwa Sean Cork & Co!

  7. this is very healthy convo….well for me its simple…attitude and responsibility..then respect that machine many have had accidents on both big en small engines …in short for you to go down u only require to lose it,lack focus,and try to show off…..respect the bike…can bite you anyday…..i went down wth my 250 countless times…when i bought my vtr 1000 i respected her and never went down….and shifted to 750 due to other reasons……some guys just ride wth minimal gear en never go down…the secret just have the right attitude …accept to learn and wear gear to mitigate incase she bites.

  8. Haha Ralph. I agree, progressing to R6 from Apache… you’re likely to go down coz that ain’t gradual by any measure!!! if you jump to a big bike, you’ll concentrate on managing the beast and draw your attention from the road and other users. handle a bike your size (gradual progression in handling bigger and bigger bikes) and you’ll keep your attention on the road and other users all the while with good mastery of your machine! what’s to disagree? of course respect your bike and no stunts on public roads

  9. Attitude and responsibility I total agree, however on gradual progression I TOTALLy disagree. Most people upgrading are the ones going down the most. You have been riding an apache for 2 yrs then you upgrade to an R6. Chances of lapses are higher because you think you can ride. Everyone needs to respect the bike first and then the other road users.

  10. Ralph Ngugi since am sure you havent come up with the stats to back up your claim that the people having accidents lately are incompetent apache riders mucking about on 1000 cc machines, please dont insult the memory of the peeps who have met their end on a bike. Your condescending remarks are disrespectful to the friends and family they left behind.

  11. The veterans have said it well: As I had already learned on my own, never let the machine get to your head, know your limits and keep within them.
    The other day I saw a quite affordable R1 being advertised here and I went to check it out. I sat on her and felt her weight and immediately realized what I really want and need is a 750.
    Be safe brothers

  12. i guess insurance works very differently in Kenya to most other places. there is no loading to a premium for a newly qualified rider . in the UK a newly qualified rider would probably be refused insurance on a R1 or fire-blade and be forced to build some (no claims bonus) and riding experience before insurance companies would consider him /her. fact is insurance companies are not fools – they are a glorified bookmaker / betting shop. while i do firmly believe attitude is paramount in terms of safety , finding that some guys have successfully mastered a big machine from the starting blocks is more likely the exception than something that will apply to all. my 18 year old daughter has been riding for 2 years , and her attitude is really remarkable – but hey im not letting her on my big bikes just yet. why well i think maybe some if that is from my conscience , id feel responsible if i allowed her to ride it and she crashed or even died. i think this is the kinda outlook that makes people refuse to sell a bike to someone of no experience, while i understand both perspectives , I have to admire Steve J Perkin for his stance on this . while i do think is very much about attitude and with the right attitude and approach you can be safe , i also do feel that insurance companies have not got this wrong statistically.

  13. ..a rider is only as good as his lastride.. In my opinion, this graduationthing..with the wrong attitude ismore harzadous than it is benefitial..As someone clearly pointed out, jstbecause you’ve been on the road ona 200cc bike doesnt mean you havethe prowess.. You get on a higher ccbike with the “I’m an awesome rider”attitude and you’ll certainly getschooled.. Every time you get on thatsaddle, recognise that that machineyou love so much might as well takeyour life..respect her/him.. I alwayswonder, professions..be itconstruction workers with theirhelmets and earplugs, doctors withtheir gloves…is it that they donthave experience??! No..its cause theyno the risks involved.. Some of usseem to have forgotten the risksinvolved…which, believe it or not,remain constant..whether you’re onan r1 or a yamaha 150cc..whetheryou’ve been riding for 5months or5yrs..this risks remain constant foreach of us.. I dont mean anydisrespest to anyone but this is thehard truth.. I’m a young rider..withloads to learn..but one thing I’vecome to admit is that my attitude toother road users..to the bike..tomyself..could actually be thedifference in me getting home andme checking into the ER.. Chestthumping e.t.c only puts you atrisk..give way, be polite..it wont breakyour bone..but the tarmac sure will..A rider is only as good as his lastride…my two cents..

  14. Ray seek more insight on the weight part..the cc does not always dictate the weight …in this case a 2001 is 175 lighter than the 2010 205kgs,, when it comes to turning so many things come into play…egchanging.

    These changes are referred to as “weight transfer.” Of course, the weight of the car isn’t changing, or moving about the car, but the forces on the tire contact patches are changing due to inertia and momentum. If you were to have a set of scales under the tires while driving, you would see what appears

  15. what your saying is very well informed and true Jim Buck, but it does not detract from the fact an r1 or indeed most sports bikes are an ass ache in heavy traffic and low speed riding. maybe im just showing my age here lol but physically they tire me unless im on the open road or track

  16. The biggest problem is the training. Most schools train using boda bodas and give the impression, if you can ride this you can ride any bike. Ask around and all boda boda guys will tell you to use rear brakes others go ahead and remove the front brake. This is common with 250cc bikes and below. Then you take the same mentality to 1000cc, kaka piki piki haitasimama. The Kenyan government will never be serious with proper train because it doesn’t want to be seen as oppressing the youth in self-employment. It is up to you as a rider to seek advice from seasoned riders, if they are not available try youtube, go through the many tutorial videos. You will definitely learn something.

  17. Chege William K no one is insulting anyone here, I know 6 apache riders who went down in the first week of upgrading another 4 on the first month. I am talking from experience and great interaction with bikers in many forums and situations. I rode a VFR400 for a distance of over 25000 kms, toured the around the country in a period of 18 months. I upgraded to an R6 I went down in twice in 17kms. Had like 5 close calls.
    1. I thought the difference of 200cc wasn’t a big difference.
    2. I thought a sport bike is like any other sport bike.
    3. Ignored the technological differences.
    4. The braking power was totally different.
    5. Throttle response was light years apart. etc
    these are some of the mistakes me and other riders have made and continue to make as they upgrade.
    AguycalledPaul Paul will tell you that when I came back to nairobi from my trips I had to replace my left knee sliders. I used lean thinking I was VR46, the R6 showed me I know shit. Charles Kimenyi Allan Stylez David Njonjo Roy Wachira Hakuna matusi hapa. Respect The Bike.

  18. Oh dear my age again – when i started riding legally on the road , back in the day most bikes were drum brakes and the rear brake was “relatively” good . with small light bikes with drum front and rear – the front i never found much help , not like on todays bikes – a lot of boda boda have the same kinda set up perhaps . old technology . so we have to understand why they think this to begin to educate them . Training is very much one of the biggest problems I agree Ralph Ngugi . I have taken my own initiative to plan to introduce some training for those who feel they want it. I have been looking for someone to work alongside to bring this available to a wider audience yet no one has yet expressed any interest in investing in this with me. i am still hoping the right person might step forward to work with so training can reach a wider audence.

  19. Hi Guys this conversation firstly is really Good! It shows just how different our mindsets to Riding are. If your alive and don’t have serious injuries to live with like some of us, then your mindset is Good. A few things though can’t change, Getting on the Bike without proper gear is one! I don’t care if you rode for a century, the Matatu that will hit you has a driver who started driving last week so your “experience” is jack $hiet! Number two your reason to ride, if you like the idea of being called a biker and telling off Subaru/legends guys that you can eat the scoobies for lunch then you might as well choose your grave and the inscription on it because you will be there soon. Number 3 if you rode an Apache for a month and think your ready for an R1 please note that all the superbike championship riders rode from 50cc to 1000cc over 10-15 years and that’s on European Tracks with nice landing for crashes etc plus a coach and super Tarmac that’s been cleaned before the race, No Matatus, no potholes, no sudden corners, no pedestrians etc … Last of them which I consider the greatest is if your bike doesn’t scare you before you ride it, don’t ride it. I should have learnt this during my first major accident ( watch it on YouTube it’s quite hilarious), that day I jumped on my bike psyched like a monkey no fear, nothing… An hour later accident. Same thing on July 6th the day I had my life changing accident, I had psyche like a monkey anyone on our Superbikes chat can testify, I had no fear climbed on the bike no worries and in two hours my life changed. Only thing that saved me was Number one (I used to gear up like a Transformer) that stuff saved my life. So please guys, I cringe when i see you helmetless, gearless, experienceless and Fearless. We want to see you ride till your teeth fall off don’t you? Please listen, Superbikes ain’t for everyone prepare yourself first for them.

  20. Jim I get you. First thing I do when I sit on any bike I wanna buy now is to lean it on the right then feel my ability to hold it up then I repeat the same on my left. This way I can gauge my ability to support it in case of a mishap at slow speed (we all know em: banana peels, drunk pedestrians..) Again, Id really love a bike I can ride everyday without it reducing me to the weight of Rossi due to the physical toll it exerts on you! But since we can’t all have our cakes and eat em, I’m sure I’ll end up with a 600 or 750 for weekend excursions and my biz boda for daily commute.
    In other news, the scooter gospel carriers should know that one needs to keep up or be just a little bit faster than general traffic flow on the highway, otherwise you will be shoved about like a boomerang.
    Finally, human beings will never be the same in terms of their capabilities. Some of us are quite good at keeping by the avoiding accidents handbook, but in a mishap their fear takes over their head, they get stiff, hold the steering in one position and wait for the hit. Others are the “masters” of close calls, which comes from experience

  21. I did a super bike 750Cc kawasaki a year ago…crushed with it on the nanyuki road my helmet split into two…reasons was that the forks of my bike failed….so riding is like driving to some extent…always service your bike before the milleage limit is near.Saved by the helmet and riding suit

  22. “I feel the need, the need for speed” Name the film people. Not advocating speed, but if you are going to get on a bike, just wear the right gear. It may not save your life, but it will go a long towards it and may save you injury, however big or small. Buy the right gear people, and not neccassarily from me, just do it. Thanks Mulunda Kisika for that 😉

  23. there is nothing wrong with a love for speed and bikes are very able to make you addicted to that. all that is required is the right attitude towards your addiction and the responsibility to refrain from using the bikes power in dangerous environments or situations, get the thrill when its safe to do so . get training to ride safely, to position yourself on the road for advantage . to anticipate hazzard and to plan for potential situations as they unfold. if you have the passion for biking get on with it , but get trained , dont be put off by negatives .